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imo one of the biggest proofs of sansa's character growth post-agot (which seems to be overlooked) is this, where grrm makes sure we know how her perspective of the trident incident has indeed shifted. why else even say this? it's not what the tyrells wanted to know, they asked about joff's treatment of her in particular, and "he lied about the butcher's boy" means nothing without context (and even if she said the lannisters used that lie to justify killing mycah, i doubt olenna, at least, would care). but for sansa atp, joffrey's sins against mycah are worth remembering and reporting as his first crime (known to her), that incident is now recognized as evidence of joff's montrosity, the wrongs committed against mycah by joffrey personally (as in not even his death) are on par with sansa losing her wolf and being beaten by the kg. sure, she still has some classism remaining, but to say she cares nothing for the smallfolk, and is still the same girl disgusted by mycah's smellyness, who later repeated joffrey's lie about him weeks after the fact and blamed arya for lady's death more than joffrey, that's just demonstrably untrue.
#valyrianscrolls#asoiaf#asoiaf meta#sansa stark#joffrey baratheon#mycah the butcher's boy#(c)lsb#happy wolf pack wednesday!#ik sansa haters aren't interested in actually reading her chaps much less reading them in good faith#when they say she wouldnt care what happened to jeyne bc she was in the room when cersei gave her to lf so already knows#but i do think this line is more generally ignored
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Cant believe there are still people calling Arya unkind and implying she's somehow less moral and less heroic than other characters. When she is TEN years old and does this:
As they were running toward the barn, Arya spied the crying girl sitting in the middle of the chaos, surrounded by smoke and slaughter. She grabbed her by the hand and pulled her to her feet as the others raced ahead. The girl wouldn't walk, even when slapped. Arya dragged her with her right hand while she held Needle in the left. Ahead, the night was a sullen red. The barn's on fire, she thought. Flames were licking up its sides from where a torch had fallen on straw, and she could hear the screaming of the animals trapped within. Hot Pie stepped out of the barn. "Arry, come on! Lommy's gone, leave her if she won't come!"
Stubbornly, Arya dragged all the harder, pulling the crying girl along. Hot Pie scuttled back inside, abandoning them . . . but Gendry came back, the fire shining so bright on his polished helm that the horns seemed to glow orange. He ran to them, and hoisted the crying girl up over his shoulder. "Run!"
Rushing through the barn doors was like running into a furnace. The air was swirling with smoke, the back wall a sheet of fire ground to roof. Their horses and donkeys were kicking and rearing and screaming. The poor animals, Arya thought. Then she saw the wagon, and the three men manacled to its bed. Biter was flinging himself against the chains, blood running down his arms from where the irons clasped his wrists. Rorge screamed curses, kicking at the wood. "Boy!" called Jaqen H'ghar. "Sweet boy!" [...]
Going back into that barn was the hardest thing she ever did. Smoke was pouring out the open door like a writhing black snake, and she could hear the screams of the poor animals inside, donkeys and horses and men. She chewed her lip, and darted through the doors, crouched low where the smoke wasn't quite so thick.
A donkey was caught in a ring of fire, shrieking in terror and pain. She could smell the stench of burning hair. The roof was gone up too, and things were falling down, pieces of flaming wood and bits of straw and hay. Arya put a hand over her mouth and nose. She couldn't see the wagon for the smoke, but she could still hear Biter screaming. She crawled toward the sound.
And then a wheel was looming over her. The wagon jumped and moved a half foot when Biter threw himself against his chains again. Jaqen saw her, but it was too hard to breathe, let alone talk. She threw the axe into the wagon. Rorge caught it and lifted it over his head, rivers of sooty sweat pouring down his noseless face.
Arya literally threw herself into a burning shed with falling roof, to rescue complete strangers. The worst she's risking here is not a beating or anything, she's risking her life and that too by making the active choice to go in and rescue people she does not know. Are you kidding me?? You see this and still Arya Stark isn't the kindest heroic character?
#asoiaf#arya stark#everyone calling her an emotionless assassin please go home#grrm loves her and so do i#the way she makes ACTIVE choice to risk herself to save people again and again#to save SMALLFOLK who no one else cares about#to put her own damn life on the line for them#she did it for mycah#she does it for Jaqen H'Gar#shes such a genuinely heroic character with such a strong knowledge of right and wrong#cant believe i have read takes with my own two eyes of people saying sansa is the more moral or heroic character
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I love how George creates the duality of being low-born v high-born in the asoiaf world. The juxtaposition of Catelyn calling all swords and seizing Tyrion at the unsuccessful attempt to kill her son v Mycah’s father being handed his son’s chopped up body, to the point he couldn’t even recognise that it was his son and not a pig, and still not being able to do anything about it but stay quiet. Chilling.
#asoiaf#catelyn stark#bran stark#feudalism#inherently oppressive society#mycah#sometimes I just have to sit down and think#because wtf#mycah the butcher’s boy
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15_Juego de tronos_Sansa I
¿Y tú quién eres, chico? —preguntó en un tono imperioso que no delataba que el otro le llevaba un año.
—Mycah —murmuró el muchacho. Reconoció al príncipe y bajó la vista—. Mi señor.
—Es el hijo del carnicero —dijo Sansa.
—Es mi amigo —intervino Arya con tono brusco—. Déjalo en paz.
—El hijo de un carnicero y quiere ser caballero, ¿eh? —Joffrey desmontó, espada en mano—. Recoge tu espada, carnicero —dijo; le brillaban los ojos de diversión—. A ver qué tal lo haces. —Mycah se quedó paralizado de miedo. Joffrey avanzó hacia ��l—.Venga, que la cojas te he dicho. ¿O es que sólo peleas con niñas?
—Me lo pidió ella, mi señor —dijo Mycah—. ¡Me lo pidió ella! A Sansa le bastó mirar el rostro congestionado de Arya para saber que el chico decía la verdad, pero Joffrey no estaba en disposición de escuchar nada. El vino lo hacía aún más audaz —¿Coges tu espada o no?
—No es más que un palo, mi señor —dijo Mycah con un gesto de negación—. No es una espada. Sólo es un palo.
—Y tú no eres más que el hijo de un carnicero, no un caballero. —Joffrey alzó a Colmillo de León y puso la punta en la mejilla de Mycah, justo debajo del ojo. El muchacho temblaba de manera incontrolable—. ¿Sabes que estabas atacando a la hermana de mi señora?
#asoiaf#asoiaf art#books#illustration#a song of ice and fire#game of thrones#sansa stark#arya stark#mycah#joffrey baratheon#george rr martin#ruby ford#drawing
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"He could still hear Sansa pleading, as Lyanna had pleaded once."- Ned(AGOT).
Sansa pleading for Lady reminds Ned of Lyanna please to Ned to save her son's life from Robert's wrath.
"Bending, Ned pulled back the cloak, dreading the words he would have to find for Arya, but it was not Nymeria after all. It was the butcher's boy, Mycah, his body covered in dried blood."-Ned.
Sandor Clegane brutally killed Mycah an innocent child on orders of Lannisters. This is similar to Gregor and Amory killing Rhaenys and Aegon on Tywin's order.
It seems like history repeating itself in front of Ned at Trident. That Robert and Lannisters are not changed. That innocents are still murdered. That his daughters are in great danger as were Elia and Lyanna.
Indeed. And Ned placed them into that danger.
It's very telling that GRRM places the revelation of Mycah's fate just as Ned has murdered Lady. GRRM is absolutely eviscerating the idea that he did the right thing:
“Lady,” he said, tasting the name. He had never paid much attention to the names the children had picked, but looking at her now, he knew that Sansa had chosen well. She was the smallest of the litter, the prettiest, the most gentle and trusting. She looked at him with bright golden eyes, and he ruffled her thick grey fur. Shortly, Jory brought him Ice. When it was over, he said, “Choose four men and have them take the body north. Bury her at Winterfell.” “All that way?” Jory said, astonished. “All that way,” Ned affirmed. “The Lannister woman shall never have this skin.” He was walking back to the tower to give himself up to sleep at last when Sandor Clegane and his riders came pounding through the castle gate, back from their hunt. There was something slung over the back of his destrier, a heavy shape wrapped in a bloody cloak. “No sign of your daughter, Hand,” the Hound rasped down, “but the day was not wholly wasted. We got her little pet.” He reached back and shoved the burden off, and it fell with a thump in front of Ned.
Her little pet. An innocent bystander.
A heavy shape, wrapped in a bloody cloak. They got that skin. Ned just killed who Sansa pleaded for, Sandor killed who Arya fought for. Is Ned better for sending the body away? Or is he looking into a mirror? A useful idiot serving people who would kill children?
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He was walking back to the tower to give himself up to sleep at last when Sandor Clegane and his riders came pounding through the castle gate, back from their hunt. There was something slung over the back of his destrier, a heavy shape wrapped in a bloody cloak. “No sign of your daughter, Hand,” the Hound rasped down, “but the day was not wholly wasted. We got her little pet.” He reached back and shoved the burden off, and it fell with a thump in front of Ned. Bending, Ned pulled back the cloak, dreading the words he would have to find for Arya, but it was not Nymeria after all. It was the butcher’s boy, Mycah, his body covered in dried blood. He had been cut almost in half from shoulder to waist by some terrible blow struck from above. “You rode him down,” Ned said. The Hound’s eyes seemed to glitter through the steel of that hideous dog’s-head helm. “He ran.” He looked at Ned’s face and laughed. “But not very fast.”
A Game of Thrones- Chapter 16 (George R. R. Martin)
Objectively, there's nothing funny about this scene, but a few days ago, I've read this post, and yeah... Sandor would be impossible to re-write into a billionaire daddy faithfully.
#ASoIaF#AGoT Chapter 16#Sandor Clegane#Ned Stark#Mycah#POV: Eddard#valyrianscrolls#MU rereads ASoIaF#A Game of Thrones#GRRM#V#books#quotes#hilarious#but I have a very dark sense of humour.
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All ASOIAF Characters as LEGO Minifigures, Part 13: AGOT Sansa 1
Ser Ilyn Payne; Mycah, the butcher's boy
Art used as reference (by alejandrokayart):
#a song of ice and fire#a song of ice and fire fanart#asoiaf#asoiaf fanart#lego#lego asoiaf#lego custom minifigures#ilyn payne#mycah
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Regularly fight with my best friend over what happened at Darry, she actively HATES Sansa because of it meanwhile I love sansa so much she's my favorite SHE DID NOTHING WRONG!! WHAT DID SHE DO WRONG??
#TELL ME WHAT SHE DID#TELL ME WHAT THAT DARLING GIRL DID#what happened to Mycah wasn't her fault#What happened to Joff wasn't her fault#What happened to Lady wasn't her fault#SHE'S INNOCENT WHAT DID SHE DO???#sansa stark#pro sansa stark#Asoiaf
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Interesting. From when we see the Hound here he looks like a standard villainous thug, laughing over killing someone. But then we see more the cynic, miserable at the falseness of the world.
why did the hound laugh after killing mycha?
Here's our quote, for reference:
"You rode him down," Ned said. The Hound's eyes seemed to glitter through the steel of that hideous dog's-head helm. "He ran." He looked at Ned's face and laughed. "But not very fast." Eddard II, AGoT
I don't think he's laughing at the idea of killing Mycah, precisely. Because a while later, we learn Sandor's backstory and his bitterness all in one:
"My father told everyone my bedding had caught fire, and our maester gave me ointments. Ointments! Gregor got his ointments too. Four years later, they anointed him with the seven oils and he recited his knightly vows and Rhaegar Targaryen tapped him on the shoulder and said, 'Arise, Ser Gregor.'" The rasping voice trailed off. He squatted silently before her, a hulking black shape shrouded in the night, hidden from her eyes. Sansa could hear his ragged breathing. Sansa II, AGoT
Sandor was abused and maimed, while the perpetrator suffered no consequences. The nobility gave Gregor his ser and recognition. Which has turned Sandor right off the idea that the high nobility of the Seven Kingdoms might ever have good intentions. From there he went further, coming to believe that nobody means well and nobody cares and nobody's suffering actually matters.
What Sandor's laughing at here isn't Mycah's death, it's Ned's horror. From Sandor's perspective, it's fuck that guy and his pompous face, he can't possibly be upset. Not over a nobody little boy.
From there, of course, Sandor's experiences with the Stark girls show him exactly how and why he's wrong - and how far he fell in the process.
#asoiaf#valyrianscrolls#cw: violence#sandor clegane#ned stark#a game of thrones#mycah#house clegane#house stark
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Some ASoIaF (main books) child-killers and how they feel about their crimes:
Tywin Lannister: 1 (plus however many Reyne-Tarbeck kids there were). Would quote Sun Tzu at you if he could.
Roose Bolton: 1 that we know about. Just another Tuesday for him.
Petyr Baelish: 1 WIP. You won't prove anything.
Gregor Clegane: 2 that we know about. Just another Tuesday for him.
Theon Greyjoy: 2, but not the ones everyone thinks; 1 threat. Pretended not to care but actually feels bad, currently a bit distracted by the horrors.
Olenna Tyrell: 1. He had bad vibes.
Sandor Clegane: 1 that we know about. Had to be repeatedly called out and retraumatised to notice people tend to get upset by murders. Still dgaf about Mycah personally.
Jaime Lannister: 2 failed attempts, 2 threats. Technically shouldn't even be on the list unless we include a half of Westeros, but everyone thinks he belongs here. Jaime agrees.
Cersei Lannister: ~20. Fuck them kids.
#asoiaf#got#tywin lannister#cersei lannister#jaime lannister#gregor clegane#sandor clegane#house lannister#petyr baelish#olenna tyrell#theon greyjoy#my post
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arya’s disillusionment arc is so near and dear to my heart and also breaks it all the same. it begins when she and mycah were being as childish as one could be—swinging wood sticks around like swords—but not long after both of them get screwed by the inherent nature of feudalism, which makes people with no social protection easy prey for those higher up on the hierarchy. mycah’s death is a double whammy to arya because those arya had been taught would not allow such an injustice to happen failed miserably. but more importantly, there were people with the power to protest mycah’s death; there were people who could’ve raised a voice in the aftermath even though they couldn’t stop it from happening, but no one did. and no one did because mycah wasn’t worth the trouble to them, no matter what they personally felt about the matter. and that is, at its core, a purposeful and beloved (by the higher echelon) factor of the system. they can inflict violence when they want without reproach more often than not, and rarely will others find it worthwhile to step in because there’s little to no social incentive to do so (and they may face repercussions if they do).
arya’s storyline has set her up, from the beginning, to feel the full weight of the oppressive nature of her society, but it’s her refusal to stay passive in the face of her disillusionment that makes me adore her. two of my favorite moments of hers are when she eats the apple (a symbol of knowledge) despite the worm, and her ‘i am a direwolf, and done with wooden teeth’ internalization (wood -> steel representing passive compliance to action, and symbolizes a rite of passage from child to adult in asoiaf). they’re such character defining details, and the context of these moments pulls at my heartstrings. both moments set her up as a character willing to see the truth of the world as it is, and also as an active participant willing to get her hands dirty and take the risks needed to meaningfully help others.
another of my favorite parts of arya’s storyline is how impactful needle is as a symbol, and i must say needle represents more than just arya’s family. needle is also a reflection of arya’s feelings of injustice over mycah’s death! it’s the manifestation of her personal call to arms, her refusal to sit quietly and let this happen again! it’s about wanting to protect herself and others, it’s about wishing she could protect those she couldn’t.
ending this off to say that arya’s a character who has actually walked in the shoes of so many others from so many different walks of life. as of now, she’s no one, and that allows her to be anyone—though she’s still arya stark at her core. her story is not a nihilistic one, it’s empathetic. you must empathize with the face you wear to walk in their skin and live their life, and because of this factor arya stark excels in her training.

this physically hurts
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#wokeism olympics#you can’t even murder children in peace in westeros….because of woke 😒#I wanted to add jaime and the kg but I couldn’t figure out if that would be ironic or unironic sadvgfsdfs#asoiaf#valyrianscrolls#ned stark#alysanne targaryen#daenerys targaryen#jon snow#arya stark#davos seaworth#asha greyjoy#edmure tully#brienne of tarth
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Yes, exactly. The Darry trial simply illuminates why Lyanna begged Ned to promise her to keep Jon safe. At the time, he must have protested that even with the murders of Rhaenys and Aegon, that Robert loved Lyanna -- loved Ned -- he wouldn't hurt her baby‚ Ned's own nephew? Surely not. But Lyanna knew what Robert was. So she pleaded until Ned promised her, and only when he gave her his final promise, did she give up her hold on life.
It's not just because Robert hates Targaryens that he ignored the slaughter of Elia and her children. (And rewarded Tywin for it!) He will kill -- or allow to be killed -- any child, any innocent, even one of Ned's loved ones, if it's in his interest. Or if he can't bother to care, he'll just turn away. Despite Ned's own pleadings.
His old friend‚ closer than any brother. "Please‚ Robert. For the love you bear me. For the love you bore my sister. Please.”
Robert looked at Ned with flat‚ dead eyes and left without a word‚ his footsteps heavy as lead.
The face of the butcher's boy swam up before his eyes, cloven almost in two, and afterward the king had said not a word. His head was pounding.
And Ned knows he cannot trust his friend. Despite his suspicions that the Lannisters were involved in Bran's fall and the assassination attempt, Ned never goes to Robert about it because he does not want to know if Robert played a role in it. (And technically he did!) Because Ned cannot trust Robert not to kill children, because he's learned his best friend is a terrible person, he does another end run around his own plans to warn Cersei to take her kids and escape. And that, among many other factors, is what leads to his doom.
“If the queen had a role in this or, gods forbid, the king himself … no, I will not believe that.” Yet even as he said the words, he remembered that chill morning on the barrowlands, and Robert’s talk of sending hired knives after the Targaryen princess. He remembered Rhaegar’s infant son, the red ruin of his skull, and the way the king had turned away, as he had turned away in Darry’s audience hall not so long ago. He could still hear Sansa pleading, as Lyanna had pleaded once.” -EDDARD IV
love this passage. gives us so much insight into what ned really believes about robert even though he’s blocking it all out and trying to see the friend he once knew + some “ned thinks do jon as his son not nephew” fluff. he’s wondering if robert would allow someone to kill his son, bran, bringing him to lyanna’s pleas for jon’s life. yes, ned knows robert would kill ned’s son if it was in his best interest, he’s always known.
#ned's story in agot is a series of disappointments‚ realizing that his best childhood friend‚ the king he's loyal to and loves so much#is a terrible human being. the kind of man who beats women and doesn't care about the murder of children#and it may be true he's always known. or at least he knew *enough* to keep jon safe and keep that promise despite everything#but everything that happens is just another nail in the coffin of their friendship. the friendship that ned died for. i just... i just.#btw can you imagine littlefinger - instead of being a chaos agent and lying that he'd lost his valyrian steel dagger to tyrion in a bet#if he'd been a *different* kind of chaos agent and told the actual truth that the one who won the dagger was *robert*? seriously oh my god#maybe ned would investigate and figure out it was joffrey who sent the assassin... because of what robert said... ugh i can't#asoiaf#asoiaf meta#valyrianscrolls#ned stark#robert baratheon#jon snow#lyanna stark#sansa stark#lady#mycah#promise me ned#the bran's assassin mystery#ugh i don't have a tag for the trident incident or the darry trial do i. oh well sigh#queue and me we're in this together now
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I think it's so funny that people treat Arya like she has no self-control because she *checks notes* stood up to Joffrey and defended her friend from being attacked
#arya stark#asoiaf#that's literally the only evidence people have to /prove/ that Arya wouldn't have been able to survive in KL 😭#and then the same people call Sansa a queen for thinking about pushing Joffrey over the edge the obvious bias is so funny#people treating Arya like she's the dumb and reckless counterpart is soooooo forced cause there's literally no evidence#even her defending Mycah isn't impulsive...she has a whole internal monologue about thinking her father or his men would've defended him to#because it was the right thing to do but I guess no other character is allowed to be naive and learn a lesson#anyways saying this just makes you look stupid cause Arya's entire arc and survival hinges on her keeping calm in tense situations
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possibly incomplete list of asoiaf characters described as having red or even "ginger" hair (or red-gold as opposed to red-brown or ghiscari red-black), never auburn:
mycah, the butcher's boy*
beric dondarrion (red-gold hair)*
lharys, member of the three stooges men-at-arms (wild rust-colored hair)**
unnamed and unfortunate mother of robert baratheon's doomed youngest child, barra (light red-haired mother of black-haired baby)*
tomard aka "fat tom", stark guardsman (with his ginger whiskers)*
horas "horror" redwyne (orange hair)*
hobber "slobber" redwyne (orange hair)*
unnamed red-haired whore leaning out a window the day of ned's execution (presumably not the same as above since she was joking about the king's death)*
melisandre of asshai (deep burnished copper. red and terrible and red.)*
a man called jaqen h'ghar (red on one side, white on the other)*
pug-nosed dancy from chataya's brothel (described as red-haired by tyrion in acok but honey-blonde in asos, so presumably hair dye must have been involved between those book mentions.)**
addam marbrand (hair the same copper color as his horse's mane)*
"ginger-headed" maester frenken*
unnamed beardless ginger youth among theon's crew at winterfell*
ygritte, a spearwife "kissed-by-fire" (bright red)*
arryk aka "left" or "right", lady olenna's red-mustached guardsman*
erryk aka "left" or "right", lady olenna's other, identical, red-mustached guardsman*
lord paxter redwyne (tufts of orange hair)**
anguy the archer of the bwb*
a red-bearded karstark rapist dead in a crow cage at stoney sept*
tansy, innkeeper of the peach in stoney sept*
meryn trant (rust-red hair)*
"red" ronnet connington
mero, "the titan's bastard", former commander of the second sons (bushy red-gold beard)
a red-headed soldier who came with stannis to the wall
shadrich "the mad mouse" (bristly orange hair)*
lord rykker's red-mustached maester
marwyn belmore, lysa's former guard captain (ginger-headed)*
lord benedar belmore with a beard that was "a ginger-grey horror"*
lord orton merryweather (reddish-orange hair)
"the red oarsman", one of euron greyoy's followers (fiery red hair)
unnamed red-haired sailor arriving at port in braavos*
lord clement piper
and his son lewys "little lew" piper, who served as squire to jaime lannister in the riverlands
unnamed red-haired youth who first escaped northward with varamyr from the battle at the wall
one of illyrio's washerwomen (dull red hair)**
jon connington (once red hair gone to grey, still red at the roots and eyebrows even when the rest was dyed blue. also had a bright red beard as a younger man.)**
rolly "duck" duckfield (a shock of orange hair)**
a young man among the wildling refugees at mole's town whose red hair reminded jon of ygritte*
the "sunset kingdoms" girl raped by tyrion in the brothel where he was captured by jorah**
hagen's daughter, only other woman among asha greyjoy's crew
roggon rustbeard, one of asha's men
mully of the nw (greasy orange hair)*
bloodbeard, commander of the company of the cat (fiery red whiskers)
"ginger" jack, a toungeless sellsword of the windblown sent to dany, face nearly covered by his bristly, orange beard
gerrick kingsblood*
and his son*
and gerrick's daughter #1*
and gerrick's daughter #2*
and gerrick's daughter #3*
ronald storm, son of ronnet connington
one of the 7 "choicest" enslaved girls from the yunkish ship who were sacrificed by victarion (red-gold hair)
an enslaved redhead boy in line for a well, asking tyrion about dany**
nail, apprentice to hammer, the armorer for the second sons**
maester tybald, redhaired maester from the dreadfort serving arnolf karstark
valena toland, heiress to ghost hill (bright red hair)
teora toland, valena's younger sister with the same hair
uther shett, knight arriving for sweetrobin's tourney (ginger-haired and whiskered)*
*characters whose hair is described in the povs of starks (or jon snow) who only use the terms auburn or red-brown for catelyn, robb, sansa etc. and do not compare said characters to said tully-haired relations
**characters whose hair is described by tyrion lannister, who spent significant time with sansa and exclusively referred to her hair as auburn (without anyone else telling him her hair color as catelyn told brienne)
the only asoiaf characters ever described as having auburn hair:
catelyn tully stark
robb stark (red-brown/auburn tully hair "so like" his mother's, with a beard redder than his hair)
sansa stark (auburn hair lighter than her mother's, most reddish glowing in candlelight)
brandon "bran" stark (hair not bright red enough for him to distinguish himself from young benjen at first glance in a weirwood flashback)
rickon stark
brynden "the blackfish" tully (once auburn hair gone to grey)
edmure tully (auburn hair with a fiery beard, likely brighter than his hair like robb's)
lysa tully arryn baelish
known tully descendants never described as having auburn hair
arya stark (darker brown stark-colored hair)
hoster tully (hair and beard gone from brown to brown streaked with grey to white as snow)
robert "sweetrobin" arryn (fine brown hair, thought by sansa to be his best feature)
fun fact: the only other character that i can find to ever even be descibed as having red-brown hair in the main series is rowan, one of the spearwives who accompanied mance on his mission to winterfell. (described by theon, who had psychological reasons not to think of any hair-resemblance to robb and co.)
tl;dr i suppose my point here is that auburn hair in the real world may be a term thrown around wildly as a fancier way of saying red hair, but grrm and his westerosi creations seem to keep to a much more specific (true) definition. not just specific, almost entirely unique to a certain family, a weird mutation passing down their line somewhat inexplicably, like the magic platinum hair of the targaryens. (ned stark's 4 tully-haired kids being sorta like alicent hightower's 4 targ-haired kids where nobody can really explain why it was so dominant.) except it's actually more unique to the tullys than either black hair to the baratheons or silver hair to the targaryens, with the velaryons also having valyrian hair as well as some people in the essosi free cities too. which i guess makes rowan the wildling the equalivent of an unknown dragonseed or a lysene woman who could pass as a targ, and regular brown-haired hoster and sweetrobin the equivalent of regular blonde-haired alysanne and alyssa targaryen. so the next time someone calls the tullys lame or whatever, just remember that in-universe they're actually more special than the dragonriders, at least hairwise.
#valyrianscrolls#asoiaf meta#house tully#catelyn stark#catelyn tully#edmure tully#lysa arryn#brynden tully#hoster tully#robb stark#sansa stark#bran stark#arya stark#rickon stark#robert arryn#one fish two fish red fish blue fish#(c)lsb#happy tully tuesday!#ik this seems pedantic but as always i have multiple agendas here#which do not include hating on anyone's orange-haired fanart bc unlike some people i have some tumblr manners#and ik auburn hair is hard to define bc i cant explain it beyond my mom's natural hair color. thats how real world rare it is.
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It's annoying how proactive female protagonists in Asoiaf are often labelled and seen as 'impulsive' by fandom in general. That's never a thing with the male characters. Female characters who get things done, who have agency and want to help people are very often characterized by fandom as wrongly and emotionally reacting to seeing injustice or even when they are engaged in policy making.
Arya is seen as impulsive for stepping in to help Mycah from a sadistic bully. Dany is labelled impulsive for not taking an economics course and reading Karl Marx’s Critique of Political Economy before freeing slaves. One popular post framed Arya and Catelyn as being similar because they apparently run around biting people.
Recall that Catelyn was one of Robb's most important campaign advisers, conducted the diplomatic negotiations for him, wanted less war and more of a peaceful resolution to the conflict and wanted to exchange hostages. And yet this fandom constantly frames the Arya/Cat parallels as them being impulsive and violent.
By the way, Arya does have parallels to Catelyn in terms of their proactiveness in maneuvering in a chauvinistic man's world, their loyalty to family and duty and doing what needs to be done. Fandom, however, always approach the Arya/Cat parallels negatively - as a form of critique of both female characters.
Do these characters have moments where they impulsively react in emotional situations? Yes, like pretty much ALL the characters do in the series. And yet these labels are singularly applied only to the female protagonists.
Arya for example is often careful, analytical and intelligent in her actions. When she escapes KL she carefully considers each step - where to go, where the guards would be, how the guards look, where the guards would search etc. - before planning her move. That's how she was able to outwit the adults like Cersei sending Lannister guards in disguise to catch Arya in enemy territory.
The same is true when Arya escapes Harenhall, where she strategizes, draws up a plan, identifies what she needs and where it is, collects everything and then gives the older boys - Gendry and Hot Pie - instructions on what to do
And then there is the way Arya and Dany are often characterized as violent in a way the male characters never are, when Planetos is a violent, medieval, feudal, grim dark fantasy setting.
To proactively get things done in a violent, patriarchal, chauvinistic world, one often has to engage in violence. Ned, Robert, Stannis, Jon, Robb, Tyrion, Jaime, Theon, Northern lords, NW brothers, KG have all killed people. Arya has to kill a guard to escape her captivity where the most horrible atrocities - including rape and torture - are especially committed on the female prisoners. No one is going to help her, she has to do it herself. And yet because of her gender, she gets condemned as 'violent', 'psychopathic', 'forever damaged', 'should feel guilty and bad about what she did' etc.
As ruler, Daenerys engages in the same medieval, feudal practices that other rules do - we are first introduced to the series' presumable hero Ned Stark, with him chopping off a man's head for desertion. And yet she is seen as violent and tyrannical in a way none of the male rulers are.
I still come across these jokes about Jon Snow counting beets ignoring his chosen one destiny when Daenerys also has an administrative arc in ADwD! Where are all the comments/jokes about Dany's problems with food, trying to grow food, trying to trade for food when she has encountered chosen one prophecy and yet stays behind in Essos doing the same thing Jon Snow is, except ten times harder because Meereen is a city state.
Especially jarring when all of GRRM's comments about ruling focuses on administration and specifically mentions Daenerys story in ADwD again and again. Like this for ex:
“I guess there is an element of fantasy readers that don’t want to see that. I find that fascinating. Seeing someone like Dany actually trying to deal with the vestments of being a queen and getting factions and guilds and [managing the] economy. They burnt all the fields [in Meereen]. They’ve got nothing to import any more. They’re not getting any money. I find this stuff interesting. And fortunately, enough of my readers who love the books do as well.” - GRRM
Dany, Tyrion and Jon's leadership arcs (In ADwD and ACoK) have parallels in that they are mostly of an administrative nature, dealing with money and food, making marriage alliances and unpopular decisions, with characters secretly undermining them. Jon's arc ends with mutineers assassinating him, Dany's arc ends with slavers trying to assassinate her and her fleeing on Drogon and Tyrion's arc ends with the Battle of Blackwater, Tywin coming back and Tyrion losing his power and position. No matter how well they did or didn't do as leaders, there was always someone in the shadows plotting against them, taking them down.
To single out the lead female characters alone as being impulsive and violent for being proactive and doing what needs to be done in order to survive in a violent, patriarchal world is misogyny at it's finest.
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